Northern Soul

Inspired by classic adidas styles and terrace culture, Spezial designer and Blackburn Rovers fan Gary Aspden leaves his mark on football fashion with every collection he releases

INTERVIEW Tayler Willson | PHOTOGRAPHY Ossi Piispanen

Fashion
If you haven’t heard the name Gary Aspden, you’re probably at least familiar with some of his work, even if you don’t realise it. For the past 20 years he has been behind some of adidas’s most iconic releases, and more recently has become the man responsible for their successful sub-brand adidas Spezial. Now in its sixth year, Spezial continues to stay committed to reworking classic styles and silhouettes while giving them a modern-day twist – something that’s proved especially popular on the terraces across Europe. Ahead of the line’s Spring/Summer 2020 launch, we sat down with Aspden to talk Spezial, his hometown team Blackburn Rovers and watching a game with a member of a rather popular four-piece band from Liverpool.

How did you first get into fashion?

When I was about 12 I turned up on a mate of mine’s doorstep to go to a local disco called Bogarts. He took one look at my jeans and told me that I couldn’t go with him as they were flares, when all the kids had started wearing tight jeans. I missed out on going as a consequence.
I wasn’t aware of fashion prior to that but from that day on I never looked back.

What gives you most pleasure in your job?

I am fortunate in that I have built a career around doing something that, on the whole, I enjoy doing. I care about what I do and am passionate about doing it as well as I can. As a youth I had a few jobs I didn’t like – none of which I lasted in – so I know the difference. Going to football and seeing people I don’t know wearing Spezial is always a buzz. It’s the ultimate compliment. Nowadays there are people who measure the value of trainers purely based on their resale value, which is the absolute antithesis of what it’s all about for me. We should never underestimate the value in people interacting with and enjoying wearing the product. What I wore is part of the fabric of many of my experiences and creates memories – that’s way beyond the commercial value.

Noel Gallagher, Ian Brown – you have got quite a cult celebrity following. Do they give you any tips on what they want to wear?

Not that I could pinpoint. The names you mention are northern men, who grew up working class through a particular era, so in that respect there are parallels there with my own experiences. I am grateful for the support they have given me over the years. I always end up drawing on my own experiences as a source of inspiration so I guess this intersects with their taste from time to time.

What’s the link between adidas and terrace wear?

The style of British casuals, or terrace fashion as some call it, was arguably defined in the 1980s. Anything that has come since then has its roots in what happened during that decade. It was around before that, but I believe that the 1980s was the decade that crystallised it. It was always about one-upmanship and as we grew up through the Eighties, we became more and more brand obsessed. Brands were picked up and declared “in” to be later discarded and declared “out”, sometimes only a few months later. A brand that might have been adopted by all your peers could be something that you wouldn’t be seen dead in a year later. Adidas is one of the only brands that was consistently in throughout the whole of that decade, from start to finish. A big reason for that was the depth and breadth of the product ranges that they were creating. As they evolved, we evolved with them.

What were you wearing back then?

In the mid 1990s I was chasing around trying to find deadstock adidas styles, as I was a lover of the Trefoil. I preferred a simpler design aesthetic than what was being released then. I remember finding a pair of ZX500s in a sports shop in Bradford that had a wall of deadstock. They were too small for me but that wasn’t enough to deter me. My heart ruled my head on those and when I tried to wear them out it was too uncomfortable – I ended up having to sell them on.

"Nowadays there are people who measure the value of trainers purely based on their resale value, which is the absolute antithesis of what it’s all about for me. We should never underestimate the value in people interacting with and enjoying wearing the product. What I wore is part of the fabric of many of my experiences and creates memories – that’s way beyond the commercial value."
"Going to football and seeing people i don't know wearing spezial is always a buzz. It's the ultimate compliment"

What is the inspiration behind the new Spezial range?

We always look for where the adidas brand intersects with popular culture in a legitimate way. We had been looking at the vintage holdalls that were customised with patches by Northern Soul fans and they were always adidas. We wanted to make a new adidas Spezial holdall that would take inspiration and give a nod to that, without making a one-to-one reproduction. Making it monotone immediately gives it a more contemporary look and feel. This then became the starting point for the rest of the collection – with the black/white of the tracksuit, long-sleeved polo and Training 76 SPZL shoes. It’s almost like the collection has two halves with regard to the colour palette. We rarely use black in Spezial but it felt right with this collection. However, there is a much brighter palette in the outerwear and the other pieces.

What are your favourite items from this collection?

I never like that question, as I try not to design purely for my personal style. I have always worn more running shoes than flat trainers so I love the Ashurst SPZL – that shoe has particular resonance for other personal reasons. I love the long-sleeve knitted polo and will be ordering a number of those for myself. The jackets look good, as do the accessories. Everyone should really own a classic adidas three-stripe tracksuit and the one in this collection is as good as any. 

What is it about adidas that makes it such an object of devotion across the world?

Great design and huge cultural equity. Whatever you are into– be it sport, music, fashion or any combination of those things – adidas is integral.

How many pairs have you got in your own collection?

Not counted in a while, but over 2,000. I was in my lock-up earlier today but I never bother to count any more. My friend Gary Watson has helped me to get them into some sort of order through a visual inventory, but even with that we still couldn’t locate a particular pair that I was trying to find for a design reference. It sounds great having a big archive of trainers but keeping, storing and maintaining them takes time, effort and money.

If you had to pick one pair as your favourite, which would it be?

That’s a tough one. I love the Blackburn SPZL for all they represent and how positive that release and launch was. I also love the first sample of the adidas Manchester from 2002, as we can see now how that shoe set the agenda for much of what is happening in the adidas culture here in the UK. If I had to choose one pair it would probably be the FAC51-Y3 crib shoes. It would be a purely sentimental choice as they are a unique pair that adidas made especially for my son. I was in the midst of working on this project – a shoe to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Hacienda nightclub – when Wilson’s mother went into labour with him six weeks early. None of us had reckoned on him arriving early and it threw everything up in the air. I was central to that project and held the relationships with all the stakeholders, so I found myself finalising the project from the labour unit.

How did you get into supporting Blackburn Rovers?

My mum worked on Blackburn market on Saturdays so my dad was left with me and my older brother. My dad is a lifelong Rovers supporter so I was taken along to Ewood Park with him when I was very young. We would stand in the Riverside [stand]. I used to have to take the washing-up bowl out of the kitchen sink to stand on and with that I could see over the wall on tiptoes. Nowadays I sit not far from where I used to stand back then – and that wall doesn’t seem so high any more. I must have been tiny.

Tell us about the Blackburn team that won the Premier League back in 1994/95.

Alan Shearer and Chris Sutton were incredible, although our defence was phenomenal too. Colin Hendry was fearless. We also had Henning Berg, who was an incredible passer of the ball. So many Blackburn goals that season came from the intelligence and accuracy of Berg’s passing. 

What did you love most about that title-winning Blackburn team? Was it Shearer?

Shearer was great. I never recall him placing the ball in the net – he’d always smash it. By all accounts he is a decent man as well as having been a great player.

Blackburn’s first experience of the Champions League was a tough one, going out in the group stage…

While Blackburn were one of the founding clubs in the football league, it is a small town and doesn’t have a huge fan base. When I was growing up, Blackburn were always a Second and Third Division club so just being in the top flight was a massive buzz. In truth we were always punching above our weight but we won the Premier League and no one will ever be able to take that away from us. Everyone likes to see their club do well and watch good football, but one of the best seasons I have had as a Rovers supporter was when we were in League One a couple of years back. When my son was ten he had a steward at Stamford Bridge telling him to sit down when he was celebrating a goal – spoiling the moment for an excited ten-year-old boy is not what football is about for me. You just don’t get that when you are away at Rotherham. 

What are your best memories of following Blackburn in Europe?

One of my favourite memories was going away to Celtic [in the 2002/03 UEFA Cup]. About 15 of us went up there together and I christened a new Ventile parka from Stone Island – a fantastic fabric that we actually used on a couple of jackets in the early seasons of adidas Spezial. We played well but lost 1-0. Despite the result it was a great trip with a bunch of mates who I have known since I was a kid and who I still go to games with. We also lost the return leg at Ewood on a dark night of torrential rain.  

Do you get to go and watch many Champions League games now?

I have lived in London and worked with adidas in various capacities for over 20 years, and while Blackburn are my team I have been to many Champions League games as a neutral. I have gone along to watch lots of fixtures at Chelsea and Arsenal. One of my favourite memories would be Chelsea vs Liverpool at Stamford Bridge around 2007. I was offered a ticket in the adidas box and as the game kicked off, there were two empty seats by me. A minute later I heard a voice say “Excuse me” – and I looked round to see Paul McCartney and his mate pointing to the empty seats. I ended up sat next to a Beatle for the whole game and he was extremely chatty and affable. He was happy to talk about The Beatles – I asked him about the lyric that name checks Blackburn in A Day in the Life – and was very diplomatic and non-committal when I asked him whether he supports Everton or Liverpool. I am a big fan of The Beatles so it was definitely a night I won’t forget.

How did you first get into fashion?

When I was about 12 I turned up on a mate of mine’s doorstep to go to a local disco called Bogarts. He took one look at my jeans and told me that I couldn’t go with him as they were flares, when all the kids had started wearing tight jeans. I missed out on going as a consequence.
I wasn’t aware of fashion prior to that but from that day on I never looked back.

What gives you most pleasure in your job?

I am fortunate in that I have built a career around doing something that, on the whole, I enjoy doing. I care about what I do and am passionate about doing it as well as I can. As a youth I had a few jobs I didn’t like – none of which I lasted in – so I know the difference. Going to football and seeing people I don’t know wearing Spezial is always a buzz. It’s the ultimate compliment. Nowadays there are people who measure the value of trainers purely based on their resale value, which is the absolute antithesis of what it’s all about for me. We should never underestimate the value in people interacting with and enjoying wearing the product. What I wore is part of the fabric of many of my experiences and creates memories – that’s way beyond the commercial value.

Noel Gallagher, Ian Brown – you have got quite a cult celebrity following. Do they give you any tips on what they want to wear?

Not that I could pinpoint. The names you mention are northern men, who grew up working class through a particular era, so in that respect there are parallels there with my own experiences. I am grateful for the support they have given me over the years. I always end up drawing on my own experiences as a source of inspiration so I guess this intersects with their taste from time to time.

What’s the link between adidas and terrace wear?

The style of British casuals, or terrace fashion as some call it, was arguably defined in the 1980s. Anything that has come since then has its roots in what happened during that decade. It was around before that, but I believe that the 1980s was the decade that crystallised it. It was always about one-upmanship and as we grew up through the Eighties, we became more and more brand obsessed. Brands were picked up and declared “in” to be later discarded and declared “out”, sometimes only a few months later. A brand that might have been adopted by all your peers could be something that you wouldn’t be seen dead in a year later. Adidas is one of the only brands that was consistently in throughout the whole of that decade, from start to finish. A big reason for that was the depth and breadth of the product ranges that they were creating. As they evolved, we evolved with them.

What were you wearing back then?

In the mid 1990s I was chasing around trying to find deadstock adidas styles, as I was a lover of the Trefoil. I preferred a simpler design aesthetic than what was being released then. I remember finding a pair of ZX500s in a sports shop in Bradford that had a wall of deadstock. They were too small for me but that wasn’t enough to deter me. My heart ruled my head on those and when I tried to wear them out it was too uncomfortable – I ended up having to sell them on.

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"Nowadays there are people who measure the value of trainers purely based on their resale value, which is the absolute antithesis of what it’s all about for me. We should never underestimate the value in people interacting with and enjoying wearing the product. What I wore is part of the fabric of many of my experiences and creates memories – that’s way beyond the commercial value."
"Going to football and seeing people i don't know wearing spezial is always a buzz. It's the ultimate compliment"

What is the inspiration behind the new Spezial range?

We always look for where the adidas brand intersects with popular culture in a legitimate way. We had been looking at the vintage holdalls that were customised with patches by Northern Soul fans and they were always adidas. We wanted to make a new adidas Spezial holdall that would take inspiration and give a nod to that, without making a one-to-one reproduction. Making it monotone immediately gives it a more contemporary look and feel. This then became the starting point for the rest of the collection – with the black/white of the tracksuit, long-sleeved polo and Training 76 SPZL shoes. It’s almost like the collection has two halves with regard to the colour palette. We rarely use black in Spezial but it felt right with this collection. However, there is a much brighter palette in the outerwear and the other pieces.

What are your favourite items from this collection?

I never like that question, as I try not to design purely for my personal style. I have always worn more running shoes than flat trainers so I love the Ashurst SPZL – that shoe has particular resonance for other personal reasons. I love the long-sleeve knitted polo and will be ordering a number of those for myself. The jackets look good, as do the accessories. Everyone should really own a classic adidas three-stripe tracksuit and the one in this collection is as good as any. 

What is it about adidas that makes it such an object of devotion across the world?

Great design and huge cultural equity. Whatever you are into– be it sport, music, fashion or any combination of those things – adidas is integral.

How many pairs have you got in your own collection?

Not counted in a while, but over 2,000. I was in my lock-up earlier today but I never bother to count any more. My friend Gary Watson has helped me to get them into some sort of order through a visual inventory, but even with that we still couldn’t locate a particular pair that I was trying to find for a design reference. It sounds great having a big archive of trainers but keeping, storing and maintaining them takes time, effort and money.

If you had to pick one pair as your favourite, which would it be?

That’s a tough one. I love the Blackburn SPZL for all they represent and how positive that release and launch was. I also love the first sample of the adidas Manchester from 2002, as we can see now how that shoe set the agenda for much of what is happening in the adidas culture here in the UK. If I had to choose one pair it would probably be the FAC51-Y3 crib shoes. It would be a purely sentimental choice as they are a unique pair that adidas made especially for my son. I was in the midst of working on this project – a shoe to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Hacienda nightclub – when Wilson’s mother went into labour with him six weeks early. None of us had reckoned on him arriving early and it threw everything up in the air. I was central to that project and held the relationships with all the stakeholders, so I found myself finalising the project from the labour unit.

How did you get into supporting Blackburn Rovers?

My mum worked on Blackburn market on Saturdays so my dad was left with me and my older brother. My dad is a lifelong Rovers supporter so I was taken along to Ewood Park with him when I was very young. We would stand in the Riverside [stand]. I used to have to take the washing-up bowl out of the kitchen sink to stand on and with that I could see over the wall on tiptoes. Nowadays I sit not far from where I used to stand back then – and that wall doesn’t seem so high any more. I must have been tiny.

Tell us about the Blackburn team that won the Premier League back in 1994/95.

Alan Shearer and Chris Sutton were incredible, although our defence was phenomenal too. Colin Hendry was fearless. We also had Henning Berg, who was an incredible passer of the ball. So many Blackburn goals that season came from the intelligence and accuracy of Berg’s passing. 

What did you love most about that title-winning Blackburn team? Was it Shearer?

Shearer was great. I never recall him placing the ball in the net – he’d always smash it. By all accounts he is a decent man as well as having been a great player.

Blackburn’s first experience of the Champions League was a tough one, going out in the group stage…

While Blackburn were one of the founding clubs in the football league, it is a small town and doesn’t have a huge fan base. When I was growing up, Blackburn were always a Second and Third Division club so just being in the top flight was a massive buzz. In truth we were always punching above our weight but we won the Premier League and no one will ever be able to take that away from us. Everyone likes to see their club do well and watch good football, but one of the best seasons I have had as a Rovers supporter was when we were in League One a couple of years back. When my son was ten he had a steward at Stamford Bridge telling him to sit down when he was celebrating a goal – spoiling the moment for an excited ten-year-old boy is not what football is about for me. You just don’t get that when you are away at Rotherham. 

What are your best memories of following Blackburn in Europe?

One of my favourite memories was going away to Celtic [in the 2002/03 UEFA Cup]. About 15 of us went up there together and I christened a new Ventile parka from Stone Island – a fantastic fabric that we actually used on a couple of jackets in the early seasons of adidas Spezial. We played well but lost 1-0. Despite the result it was a great trip with a bunch of mates who I have known since I was a kid and who I still go to games with. We also lost the return leg at Ewood on a dark night of torrential rain.  

Do you get to go and watch many Champions League games now?

I have lived in London and worked with adidas in various capacities for over 20 years, and while Blackburn are my team I have been to many Champions League games as a neutral. I have gone along to watch lots of fixtures at Chelsea and Arsenal. One of my favourite memories would be Chelsea vs Liverpool at Stamford Bridge around 2007. I was offered a ticket in the adidas box and as the game kicked off, there were two empty seats by me. A minute later I heard a voice say “Excuse me” – and I looked round to see Paul McCartney and his mate pointing to the empty seats. I ended up sat next to a Beatle for the whole game and he was extremely chatty and affable. He was happy to talk about The Beatles – I asked him about the lyric that name checks Blackburn in A Day in the Life – and was very diplomatic and non-committal when I asked him whether he supports Everton or Liverpool. I am a big fan of The Beatles so it was definitely a night I won’t forget.

How did you first get into fashion?

When I was about 12 I turned up on a mate of mine’s doorstep to go to a local disco called Bogarts. He took one look at my jeans and told me that I couldn’t go with him as they were flares, when all the kids had started wearing tight jeans. I missed out on going as a consequence.
I wasn’t aware of fashion prior to that but from that day on I never looked back.

What gives you most pleasure in your job?

I am fortunate in that I have built a career around doing something that, on the whole, I enjoy doing. I care about what I do and am passionate about doing it as well as I can. As a youth I had a few jobs I didn’t like – none of which I lasted in – so I know the difference. Going to football and seeing people I don’t know wearing Spezial is always a buzz. It’s the ultimate compliment. Nowadays there are people who measure the value of trainers purely based on their resale value, which is the absolute antithesis of what it’s all about for me. We should never underestimate the value in people interacting with and enjoying wearing the product. What I wore is part of the fabric of many of my experiences and creates memories – that’s way beyond the commercial value.

Noel Gallagher, Ian Brown – you have got quite a cult celebrity following. Do they give you any tips on what they want to wear?

Not that I could pinpoint. The names you mention are northern men, who grew up working class through a particular era, so in that respect there are parallels there with my own experiences. I am grateful for the support they have given me over the years. I always end up drawing on my own experiences as a source of inspiration so I guess this intersects with their taste from time to time.

What’s the link between adidas and terrace wear?

The style of British casuals, or terrace fashion as some call it, was arguably defined in the 1980s. Anything that has come since then has its roots in what happened during that decade. It was around before that, but I believe that the 1980s was the decade that crystallised it. It was always about one-upmanship and as we grew up through the Eighties, we became more and more brand obsessed. Brands were picked up and declared “in” to be later discarded and declared “out”, sometimes only a few months later. A brand that might have been adopted by all your peers could be something that you wouldn’t be seen dead in a year later. Adidas is one of the only brands that was consistently in throughout the whole of that decade, from start to finish. A big reason for that was the depth and breadth of the product ranges that they were creating. As they evolved, we evolved with them.

What were you wearing back then?

In the mid 1990s I was chasing around trying to find deadstock adidas styles, as I was a lover of the Trefoil. I preferred a simpler design aesthetic than what was being released then. I remember finding a pair of ZX500s in a sports shop in Bradford that had a wall of deadstock. They were too small for me but that wasn’t enough to deter me. My heart ruled my head on those and when I tried to wear them out it was too uncomfortable – I ended up having to sell them on.

"Nowadays there are people who measure the value of trainers purely based on their resale value, which is the absolute antithesis of what it’s all about for me. We should never underestimate the value in people interacting with and enjoying wearing the product. What I wore is part of the fabric of many of my experiences and creates memories – that’s way beyond the commercial value."
"Going to football and seeing people i don't know wearing spezial is always a buzz. It's the ultimate compliment"

What is the inspiration behind the new Spezial range?

We always look for where the adidas brand intersects with popular culture in a legitimate way. We had been looking at the vintage holdalls that were customised with patches by Northern Soul fans and they were always adidas. We wanted to make a new adidas Spezial holdall that would take inspiration and give a nod to that, without making a one-to-one reproduction. Making it monotone immediately gives it a more contemporary look and feel. This then became the starting point for the rest of the collection – with the black/white of the tracksuit, long-sleeved polo and Training 76 SPZL shoes. It’s almost like the collection has two halves with regard to the colour palette. We rarely use black in Spezial but it felt right with this collection. However, there is a much brighter palette in the outerwear and the other pieces.

What are your favourite items from this collection?

I never like that question, as I try not to design purely for my personal style. I have always worn more running shoes than flat trainers so I love the Ashurst SPZL – that shoe has particular resonance for other personal reasons. I love the long-sleeve knitted polo and will be ordering a number of those for myself. The jackets look good, as do the accessories. Everyone should really own a classic adidas three-stripe tracksuit and the one in this collection is as good as any. 

What is it about adidas that makes it such an object of devotion across the world?

Great design and huge cultural equity. Whatever you are into– be it sport, music, fashion or any combination of those things – adidas is integral.

How many pairs have you got in your own collection?

Not counted in a while, but over 2,000. I was in my lock-up earlier today but I never bother to count any more. My friend Gary Watson has helped me to get them into some sort of order through a visual inventory, but even with that we still couldn’t locate a particular pair that I was trying to find for a design reference. It sounds great having a big archive of trainers but keeping, storing and maintaining them takes time, effort and money.

If you had to pick one pair as your favourite, which would it be?

That’s a tough one. I love the Blackburn SPZL for all they represent and how positive that release and launch was. I also love the first sample of the adidas Manchester from 2002, as we can see now how that shoe set the agenda for much of what is happening in the adidas culture here in the UK. If I had to choose one pair it would probably be the FAC51-Y3 crib shoes. It would be a purely sentimental choice as they are a unique pair that adidas made especially for my son. I was in the midst of working on this project – a shoe to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Hacienda nightclub – when Wilson’s mother went into labour with him six weeks early. None of us had reckoned on him arriving early and it threw everything up in the air. I was central to that project and held the relationships with all the stakeholders, so I found myself finalising the project from the labour unit.

How did you get into supporting Blackburn Rovers?

My mum worked on Blackburn market on Saturdays so my dad was left with me and my older brother. My dad is a lifelong Rovers supporter so I was taken along to Ewood Park with him when I was very young. We would stand in the Riverside [stand]. I used to have to take the washing-up bowl out of the kitchen sink to stand on and with that I could see over the wall on tiptoes. Nowadays I sit not far from where I used to stand back then – and that wall doesn’t seem so high any more. I must have been tiny.

Tell us about the Blackburn team that won the Premier League back in 1994/95.

Alan Shearer and Chris Sutton were incredible, although our defence was phenomenal too. Colin Hendry was fearless. We also had Henning Berg, who was an incredible passer of the ball. So many Blackburn goals that season came from the intelligence and accuracy of Berg’s passing. 

What did you love most about that title-winning Blackburn team? Was it Shearer?

Shearer was great. I never recall him placing the ball in the net – he’d always smash it. By all accounts he is a decent man as well as having been a great player.

Blackburn’s first experience of the Champions League was a tough one, going out in the group stage…

While Blackburn were one of the founding clubs in the football league, it is a small town and doesn’t have a huge fan base. When I was growing up, Blackburn were always a Second and Third Division club so just being in the top flight was a massive buzz. In truth we were always punching above our weight but we won the Premier League and no one will ever be able to take that away from us. Everyone likes to see their club do well and watch good football, but one of the best seasons I have had as a Rovers supporter was when we were in League One a couple of years back. When my son was ten he had a steward at Stamford Bridge telling him to sit down when he was celebrating a goal – spoiling the moment for an excited ten-year-old boy is not what football is about for me. You just don’t get that when you are away at Rotherham. 

What are your best memories of following Blackburn in Europe?

One of my favourite memories was going away to Celtic [in the 2002/03 UEFA Cup]. About 15 of us went up there together and I christened a new Ventile parka from Stone Island – a fantastic fabric that we actually used on a couple of jackets in the early seasons of adidas Spezial. We played well but lost 1-0. Despite the result it was a great trip with a bunch of mates who I have known since I was a kid and who I still go to games with. We also lost the return leg at Ewood on a dark night of torrential rain.  

Do you get to go and watch many Champions League games now?

I have lived in London and worked with adidas in various capacities for over 20 years, and while Blackburn are my team I have been to many Champions League games as a neutral. I have gone along to watch lots of fixtures at Chelsea and Arsenal. One of my favourite memories would be Chelsea vs Liverpool at Stamford Bridge around 2007. I was offered a ticket in the adidas box and as the game kicked off, there were two empty seats by me. A minute later I heard a voice say “Excuse me” – and I looked round to see Paul McCartney and his mate pointing to the empty seats. I ended up sat next to a Beatle for the whole game and he was extremely chatty and affable. He was happy to talk about The Beatles – I asked him about the lyric that name checks Blackburn in A Day in the Life – and was very diplomatic and non-committal when I asked him whether he supports Everton or Liverpool. I am a big fan of The Beatles so it was definitely a night I won’t forget.

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